Map of life expectancy at birth from Global Education Project.

Saturday, March 30, 2019

Soshulisum

"Socialism" is just a word, like all words. But it's a particularly mushy one. It has meant everything from Stalinism, to most of Western Europe for most of the post-WWII decades including what are today the happiest nations in the world (which are Scandinavian, happy despite the long dark winters). Broadly, if it means anything at all, it means believing that government has to manage capitalism for the greater good. In other words it means accepting the indisputable fact (except to libertarians, who are insane) that there is no such thing as a free market™. Markets are not forces of nature, they are created, and shaped by government, which makes contract and property law, creates money, and creates and maintains the public goods essential to the functioning of capitalism. The question is how markets will be managed, and for whose benefit.

So, for example, if you say that taxing rich people to provide some form of benefit to the less fortunate is "socialism," all you are really saying is a) for unspecified reasons you don't like to tax rich people and/or benefit the less fortunate and b) you are calling that "socialism" because you use socialism as a term of disparagement. You aren't actually making an argument, you are just putting meaningless words together.


Update: One of my goals in maintaining this blog is to explicate and promote critical thinking. So let me make a couple of obvious points.

If you are committed to interpreting the word "socialism'" as meaning "the abolition of private property" then you are obviously being a total idiot if you yell "socialism" when someone proposes single payer health are or taxing rich people to pay for free higher education or child care. You can't have it both ways, assuming you are capable of rational thought.

BTW I am a beta tester for The Nation crossword puzzles and word definitions come up all the time. Merriam  Webster is the world's worst dictionary. They seem to have no concept of actual current usage. In any case, what the dictionary says is irrelevant if we are discussing what particular people actually mean by a word.

I once actually had what passed for a conversation with a guy who claimed that the concept of organic produce was meaningless because organic means "carbon compounds" and all produce consists of carbon compounds. Again, that is not argument, it is idiocy. Word have multiple meaning which must be understood in context.

I will not allow comments by people who are incapable of logical thought.

Update to the update: As I have said, words often have multiple meanings. If you want to engage in a discussion, then you need to accept the meanings of words as they are intended. "Socialism" does generally imply that government owns "important businesses and means of production." Well guess what? The United States is a socialist society! The government owns most of elementary and secondary education, and a good part of higher education. The government owns the roads, bridges, airports, and seaports. The government owns the biggest insurance company -- Medicare -- and shares ownership of insurance for poor people -- Medicaid -- with the states. The government owns the health care system for veterans and Native Americans, and many states and municipalities also own hospitals. I could go on. So it's a matter of degree, actually. Again, the point is, just deciding that the label is disparaging and that you're advancing a discussion in some way by saying "If you call it socialism, ergo it's bad" is inane. Same goes with demonization of the word "liberal." Meaningful discussion is about facts and ideas, not which words we happen to like.

10 comments:

Mark P said...

Exactly. People call liberal or progressive programs socialism because they don't have any valid, rational arguments against those programs. That's assuming you don't call greed a valid, rational argument for or against something.

John Bachtell said...


The US has become the richest and the most productive nation in just a couple of centuries. The innovations and technologies the rest of the world, including Scandinavia, enjoys are largely due to the economic incentives of capitalism.

So now the new and bright idea here in the US is to scrap what has been so successful for so long for economic theories that have not been so successful elsewhere.

That about it?





Anonymous said...


Broadly, if it means anything at all, it means believing that government has to manage capitalism for the greater good.

Ummmmm.....NO! It just isn't true.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

socialism noun
so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm
\
Definition of socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Cervantes said...

I publish this because it is a sterling example of completely missing the point. The U.S. became wealthy by despoliating the continent. Is slavery a form of capitalism, in your opinion? And yes, Scandinavia has a mixed economy in which most enterprise takes the form of private capitalism. The exact point I made is that the term "socialism" as it is commonly used today is a form of capitalism. Social democracy does not mean scrapping private enterprise and investment, it means managing it.

Your comment is precisely, exactly, and perfectly, a statement of the idiocy I am criticizing. It's like you are hitting my fist with your nose.

Cervantes said...

That is the definition of Communism. Merriam Webster just has it wrong.

mojrim said...

These guys are the ones that tell you socialism = nazism because it's built into the name. They must be really confused by buffalo wings.

Don Quixote said...

To riposte "Anonymous"'s old trick of using the Merriam Webster definition, let's see just how "capitalism" doesn't live up to its name, either:

capitalism noun
cap·​i·​tal·​ism | \ ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm , ˈkap-tə-\
Definition of capitalism
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

See? The distribution of goods is NOT determined mainly by competition in a free market; it's determined by rich sons-of-bitches from Henry Ford right on down. It don't exist. The same bastards who ripped up mass transit in the late 1920s, all over America, so they could put America on automobile wheels on rubber tires on roads ... I worked in Tucson a decade ago, when urban train tracks were being laid in the very ground from which they were torn 70 years before.

The sickness of today is that dysfunctionally insane people like our current federal administration think that EVERYTHING can be run "by the free market"--the postal service (it should turn a profit!), the education system (it should turn a profit!), arts organizations (they should turn a profit!), etc.

Here's the sickness of the sick joke: corporations are the biggest recipients of government welfare! So much for the "philosophy" of the libertarians.

There are things that governments need to regulate in order to make society function healthfully, to keep the world safe for us. The important things, that's all ... we don't "need" almost all of the shit that's being produced. It's destroying the planet and pushing humans toward extinction. Which, the way so many behave, is where be belong to be. Extinct. George Carlin, it seems, was right. What a fucking waste of potential. We could be living in a paradise.

Anonymous said...


Here are more examples of how the word "Socialism" is used in the mainstream and not the proprietary definition the liberal left would like it to be.

Maybe Cambridge University is also an "idiot".

I don't expect you to publish this comment. I just wanted you to know.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/socialism

socialism
noun [ U ] US ​ /ˈsoʊ·ʃəˌlɪz·əm/

any economic or political system based on government ownership and control of important businesses and methods of production

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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=socialism

socialism
Actual: An economic system in between capitalism and communism, advocating collective ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods.

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https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/socialism

socialism (usually uncountable, plural socialisms)

Any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
A system of social and economic equality in which there is no private property.
A system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state.

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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism

socialism[soh-shuh-liz-uh m]

noun
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

Don Quixote said...

Speaking of words:

anonymous (adjective)
anon·​y·​mous | \ ə-ˈnä-nə-məs \
Definition of anonymous
1 : of unknown authorship or origin
an anonymous tip
2 : not named or identified
an anonymous author
They wish to remain anonymous.
3 : lacking individuality, distinction, or recognizability
the anonymous faces in the crowd
… the gray anonymous streets …
— William Styron

But apparently, "Anonymous" with a capital "A" means "unteachable."

Chucky Peirce said...

Chucky Peirce,

Maybe we just don't have enough words to describe the varieties of economic systems we have today. I doubt any of them actually meet the dictionary definitions of "capitalist" or "socialist".

Interestingly, there do exit a few economies that come close to being "libertarian". Most are found in the Horn of Africa and are more generally described as "failed states".

Discussions would generally be more enlightening if we created words that actually referred to existing types of economies. After all, in my lifetime the auto industry has created a raft of words to describe new kinds of cars. How about "minivan", "compact", "subcompact", "sports sedan", "SUV", and "CUV"? Passenger vehicles are certainly less complex than economies. yet we would have a hard time discussing them without having the use of those nouns.

With just a few new names we could have avoided this entire discussion.